Experiments with LC circuits part 3

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The next step in improvement of the LC circuit is the use of litzwire with very much strands.
The next coil is made with litz 660x0.04mm (also called 660/46,  660 is the number of strand, the wiresize is 46 AWG = 0.04 mm).

Coil  L9

Wirelenght on the coil: 14.5 meter and two leads of 0.25 m.
Total wirelenght: 15 meter.
Inside coildiameter: 6 cm.
Outside coildiameter: 16 cm. (coilformer is 20 cm diameter).
Number of windings: 41
Wire: litz 660x0.04mm
Coilformer material: 3mm foam PVC
Induction: about 175 uH.

One measurement is made with capacitor C1b, and one with C2.

Measurement 
number
LC combination  F min 
kHz
F max 
kHz
Q
600 kHz 
Q
900 kHz 
Q
1200 kHz 
Q
1500 kHz 
17 L9 C1b
With 1:100 probe 
537 2250 983 765 494 365
18 L9 C2
With 1:100 probe
601 2200 967 606 426 307

Conclusion:

C1b gives a higher Q then  C2, this is strange, in  measurement 5 and 6 C2 gives the highest Q.
Coil L9 has a lower induction then e.g. coil L5 (F min is higher), though L9 has more wirelenght.
The 660x0.04 litz seems to give less induction then the 40x0.07 litz.
The Q of L9 is much higher then the coils made with 40x0.07 litz.


Until now the Q measurements were made with a 1:100 probe between LC circuit and oscilloscope.
The test setup is discribed here as test setup 2.
But I found that the testprobe has a negative effect on the Q.

In the next measurement I use a self-made FET amplifier between the LC circuit and the oscilloscope.
The test setup is described here as test setup 3

The same circuits are now measured again.

Measurement
number
LC combination F min
kHz
F max
kHz
Q
600 kHz
Q
900 kHz
Q
1200 kHz
Q
1500 kHz
19 L9 C1b
With FET amplifier 
538 2400 1077 1104 846 518
20 L9 C2
With FET amplifier 
* * 1090 918 634 443

By using the FET amplifier, the Q increases, especially at high frequencies.


When measuring high Q circuits, the frequency of the signal generator must be adjusted very accurate.
With the sweep signal generator I used this was not easy, so the values of Q were not reliable.
Now I replaced the sweep generator by a DDS generator, at which the frequency can be very accurate set.
The test setup you will find here as test setup 4.
With the use of the DDS generator I measured the Q's again of the same circuits:

Measurement
number
LC combination F min 
kHz
F max 
kHz
Q
600 kHz
Q
900 kHz
Q
1200 kHz
Q
1500 kHz
21 L9 C1b
With FET amplifier
and DDS generator
539 2448 967 882 683 583
22 L9 C2
With FET amplifier
and DDS generator
604 * 915
(604 kHz)
756 568 407

The Q's in measurement 21 and 22 are mostly lower than in measurement 19 and 20, this is caused by the inaccuracy of measurements until number 20.
The measurements 17-18 and 19-20 and 21-22 are all done withe the same LC circuits, only the used test equipment was different.

In my opinion measurement 21 and 22 give the most reliable Q values.
But the measurements before were also usefull because a increase or decrease of Q could be seen .


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